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From the fundies: When you do X, you’re “unknowingly” worshiping pagan gods/Satan

From a recent post that appeared on FSTDT:

I do not want to stereotype but most athiests i have met were gays. Yet they fail to notice that when they engage in sexual activity that goes against procreation they take part in a ritual that worships baal peor.

Yes, it’s ridiculous to equate sex with worship of specific Canaanite deity.  That’s not the point.  The point is, there’s a lot of this “unknowing worship” buzz going around in certain fundie circles.

One example that immediately comes to mind is the claim that most people who celebrate Halloween are worshiping Satan without even realizing it.  Word is, somehow or another, people are supposed to move on from ignorant Satan worship to deliberate Satan worship.  Of course, how/when this transition is supposed to take place is never really made clear.

Another claim is that environmentalism is secretly Gaia worship, and that most of those who engage in it are unwittingly taking part in pagan religion. And again, at some point they’re supposed to become aware of it and just embrace it.  Why/how is never really explained.

So, what are your thoughts on the claim that accidental/unwitting worship is possible?

RANT ABOUT RELIGIOUS IGNORANCE.

englishfangasms:

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Some mistakes there.

1. The upside-down pentacle is associated with Satanism, all right, but it’s used for a lot more than that.  It’s even used in Wicca.

2. It’s just “Wicca,” not “Wiccanism.”

3. You’ll find your typical Satanist doesn’t worship a being “bent on destruction and suffering,” either.  Their view of Satan is a wee bit different.

Also, the snakey cross the the Rod of Asclepius

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Wickedly Witchy Audio or Text Survey Part… Sec is too lazy to number these again…

asksecularwitch:

Secular Witch: As always, this is specifically a wickedly witchy survey, meaning it’s for witches. But if you aren’t a witch, and you’d totes love to do it. Feel free. Also, feel free to adjust things around to make it a better question. But seriously, don’t lose my header or you’ll drop ten thousand dimes this year and the next. No one likes their money running out of their pockets.
Prompt: How you would respond to this….
1. “But where did the rule, harm none, go?”
Down the terlet, where it belongs.
The rede was a bit of advice created by an adherent of a specific religion.  I don’t follow that religion, so I don’t see any particular need to follow the Rede.  Personally, I feel Wheaton’s Law - “Don’t Be A Dick” - works just as well.
2. “My, my, .. you must be new here if you think curses are real.”
Dunning-Kruger effect, much?
Yeh, uh, you agree that magic does stuff, right?  And that stuff can be good or bad?  And that a curse is basically bad stuff?
3. “You’re just wearing that outfit because you want to pretend to be a witch. Real witches don’t need you demonizing them.” 
No, I’m wearing this outfit because I’m Iron Man.
I dunno, no non-snarky answer to that because I don’t actually dress “oddly.”
4. “You must have only just started practicing because I’ve been doing this, this way for years.”
Naw man, I just found this way that works and didn’t see any reason to change it.
5. “Spells are only powerful if you make them yourself.”
I expect you have empirical data to back that up.
6. “All you need to do to learn how to be a witch is read a book.”
You can learn scads from reading, but you’re not likely to find everything you need in one book, especially since many books are just awful.
7. “Who is your matron deity, again?”
Deadpool.
I don’t have one, thanks for asking.
8. “You can’t worship a cartoon or a celebrity, I mean, oh my (pagan) gods, they aren’t gods.”
Oh yes I can and there ain’t nuttin’ you girls can do about it.
9. “Oh I know about the fact the burning times weren’t like that at all, but you can’t say there weren’t some witches being burned at the stake - like in Massachusetts.”
Oh yes I can.  Nobody was burned in Salem.  Furthermore, the religious beliefs that people claim were persecuted back in the day did not exist at that point, period.
10. “Wait, you do cast a circle, right?”
Only when I feel it’s necessary.  Which I don’t recall when the last time even was…
11. “My religion, where we worship nature and love everyone, came totally before Christianity. I mean, obviously it’s better.”
Are you implying that older = better?  Because then I’ll happily trade you a 486 for your shiny new lappy.
12. “Pagans aren’t devil worshipers. *eye roll*”
While most pagans do not worship the devil, you can’t overlook those who worship Satan in one form or another.  Granted, no, you don’t really find people who worship the horned pitchfork-wielding boogeyman guy…
13. ‘Um, the real magick is over here.’
DAMMIT REAL MAGIC I TOLD YOU TO STAY PUT.
14. “I don’t understand what you’re talking about. There isn’t a way someone can target you with an item that you used - years ago.”
…That you know of.
15. “What do you mean that I should stop posting these images to facebook, but they are lovely and have glittery fonts and tell meaningful things like about how we aren’t satanists. duh.”
No amount of glitter can make inaccurate information okay.
Bonusssssssss: “Homg, I am so sorry, I forgot you weren’t out of the broom closet with your parents or your grand parents or all of your cousins and the rest of your family. Whoops! But they’re family they have to love you.”

Oh heheheheh, they do, but sometimes their form of love isn’t exactly nice or fair.

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I’m starting to feel like Neopaganism is largely some kind of arts ‘n crafts and/or COLLECT ALL THE THINGS fest.

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Just 500 years ago Atheists were setting fire to churches, and killing priests, claiming allegiance to various hethan lords pagans or witches.
Your daily dose of WTF courtesy FSTDT.

stars-and-space:

Is it okay to be a pagan and not really have any abilities yet? 
:c because…sometimes..I feel like I’m a minority for not knowing much about the astral and past lives and all that stuff yet. ; v ;’

I can’t see spirits or do anything special like that..

The only thing I’m even kind of good at it is sensing people’s emotions. :< 

First, you’re not in any minority.

Second, experience has taught me to take the vast majority of people who claim to have “powers” with a grain of salt, as most of them are delusional or just looking for attention.

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Back when I was a young and Internet-naive Christian, I avoided Wikipedia because I thought it had something to do with Wicca.

Yup.  I did.

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I don’t have elders to respect.

asksecularwitch:

First, let me be clear as to what I’m specifically addressing. There’s this notion in some of the pagan communities that there is exists these “elders” and sometimes they are literally just people of a certain age, sometimes it’s people of a certain skill, sometimes it’s tradition specific, and other times it’s just who got published by a publishing company. No one really wants to hammer down what makes an elder an elder because that would mean actually telling people that they aren’t elders.

Which, guess what, you’re not my elder. If you are older than me, okay - good for you. There’s a lot more people older and younger than me and a lot of people the same age as me all over the planet. It’s nothing special to have grown to a certain age. It’s what you have done with that age that’s the most important and what you’ve had to live through in order to get too that age. Why should I respect you any more than a 15 year old who has gone through triple bi-pass surgery and cancer survival when you’ve just sat at home for the last 50 years eating corn?

Which, guess what you’re not my elder. If you have a certain skill, then that’s fantastic. You know what, everyone has certain skills. CrookedCrown has more experience with dolls than I do. WitchyWays is more badass than I am. Having a skill or skills does not make me automatically subservient to you. If I want to learn that skill from you, then yes, that changes the dynamic. But otherwise? You’re just another person. 

Which, guess what you’re not my elder. If you’re in a particular tradition, and I am not in that tradition, you are not my elder. You are an elder of your tradition. That does not make you my elder. I am in no tradition. I made my practice by myself. If someone were practicing what I practice, basically because I trained them, then I would be the elder. Does that mean I am your elder now? Because I am an elder of this tradition? No. Same. Fucking. Principle.

Which, guess what, you’re not my elder. You published something? Great. Nice. Awesome. Why does that make you my elder? (PSST It doesn’t.) It’s like you telling me that you sold a piece of fruit and that makes you my elder. Selling a product does not automatically make you my elder. If it did, then damn I’d have a lot of fucking elders and so would you.

The notion comes from a sense of elitism - of getting privilege - of getting by with shit. I am not an elder. I should not receive the passing glance and I don’t. And that’s good. :)

I have so many (non-pagan) relatives who are like this; they think they deserve unquestioning respect because they’re older than me; never mind that they have entirely different life experiences.  Grah.

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